But she won't necessarily give them a top score at inspection if they do. They have to understand why they are doing it, she says.
"There is a danger that too many councils are looking for structures they can pull off the shelf," she explains. "That's the wrong way round. What they should be doing is asking what are the needs of the children in our area? How can the services be improved to better meet these needs? How can we structure services to make this happen?
"Some councils seem to think that, just because everyone is sitting in the same room, things are going to get better. They aren't actually."
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